Monday, October 08, 2007

Somewhere, A Pig Flies

The dog-eating, lead-paint-toy-manufacturing, baby-girl-abandoning, dissent-crushing, draconian-law-enforcing Chinese are to be commended. (I never thought I’d be saying this.)

It seems the Chinese government evacuated 1 million people ahead of a typhoon that had already struck Taiwan and other countries in the region. Yes, commie China came through for its people in the face of a huge storm when the US did not. We should be ashamed anew.

24 comments:

she said...

amazing. sometimes they get it right.

Pete Bogs said...

she - maybe they're cleaning up their act ahead of the Olympics? I still don't trust 'em, but I think this was a wise move...

she said...

i have a friend who just got back from china...she was wondering how the athletes are coing to manage breathing that air...the worst pollution shes ever seen said her lungs were killing her. maybe it will all be indoors with air conditioning. hows that for a carbon footprint?

Pete Bogs said...

she - there's a news story today about dangerously high levels of smog in HK... poeple are being told to stay inside!

she said...

OT have you ever noticed how much fred phelps looks like the demon old man in poltergeist 2?!!??

LeftLeaningLady said...

Everyday some country somewhere gets it right where we did not. Imagine, China managing evacuations. Imagine, countries that don't go to war on a trumped charge. Imagine, countries that don't abandon the nation's children to ER care.

I am glad that the 1 million were evacuated safely.

Pete Bogs said...

she - maybe they have the same diet? it's people!!!

LLL - we have a long way to go to regain our stature in the world, if that's even possible...

Aunty Belle said...

Yeah, we should---fer lettin' a bund of feckless democrats and bribe-takin' buffoons run Big Easy.

Aunty Belle said...

LLL, they take immigrants in China.

Pete Bogs said...

aunt b - I disagree - those Democrats are completely fecked...

Preacher101 said...

I live in Central Florida and when there's hurricanes around here, people are ordered to evacuate, and some stick around anyway. How stupid are Americans becoming. The leadership in New Orleans was absolutley sickening! The whole thing was screwed up, starting with that idiot mayor who refused to let school buses evacuate people.

Hey left leaning lady, you may want to re-read the children's healthcare bill. Completely frivolous, and would give free healthcare to children with families that make $60,000 per year. Its a step to the flawed idea of national, government-run healthcare. Also, the President wants to put the bill through, just not with so much money.

Once again Bogs, the liberal media not reporting the whole truth...

Pete Bogs said...

preacher - the liberal media is a myth, hence all comments made about it are red herrings...

how dare we think about children when doing so could "appear socialist?"

I'm not to impressed by some of the private firms I've seen handling things - Blackwater is a natural and unfortunate result of Republicant privatization... just imagine if they handled healthcare or social security as well as they do their contract in Iraq!

the federal government has far more resources to help a city out than a city does itself, but I know righties think that (government assisting its people) a horrific idea...

back to this post: China didn't argue about whether it was local or national government to do the job, they just fucking did it! and good for them... they saved many lives... 1000 dead in a storm is third-world stuff, but it happened right here...

Preacher101 said...

Bogs, the point is responsibility has to start at the lowest level. The city leaders didn't do their job. But more than that, what about personal responsibility? How many people didn't leave because they just didn't want to? Because they didn't take things seriously? If I hear a Cat 5 hurricane is coming, I'll be damned if I wait for the governent. I'm grabbing my wife, kids, and supplies and jumping in the car and getting out! If I don't have a car, I'll take the bus. If I don't have money for the bus, I'll use my grocery money. My point is I don't have any pity for most of the people in New Orleans who failed to heed the warning and didn't prepare.

As for blackwater, again, the 10% rule. But don't knock privatizing because if we didn't, most things in the government would cost way more than it does now.

As far as appearing socialist, that's not the issue and don't pervert my words. I said the President agrees with the bill, just not on the amount. That bill is overkill. Have you read it? I have kids and I have worked jobs that pay $7 per hour, just so I could get healthcare for them. That's called free enterprise. So don't hide behind the rally cry of "do it for the children". Parents need to sacrifice and take care of their kids, instead of complaining its the government's fault that they don't have healthcare. This country was built on rugged individualism, and we're now so used to getting handouts that its weakened us into the "entitlement mentality."

Preacher101 said...

Also, why do you keep saying the liberal media is a myth? Check this link:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics.asp

Pete Bogs said...

preacher - there were poor, sick and elderly people who had no transportation of their own... those are the people you see standing at bus stops... they are completely dependent on others for transportation... but we've already had the "too stupid to leave" argument on here many times...

no, I haven't read the bill... but I know it was going to be funded by cigarette taxes, and that's ok by me... smokers kill themselves and the rest of us and drive up healthcare prices... they should pay more...

btw, socialized healthcare is not the nightmare some make it out to be... those claims are exaggerated by people who know there's a dollar to be lost if we go that way... waiting in long lines for care? ever called a specialist in the US? "we can get you in in two or three months..." we already do wait...

your idea of free enterprise is screw the worker... use them and get away with giving them as little as possible... I don't subscribe to that point of view - "social darwinism"

I have also touched on the topic of entitlements on this site... for those, look no further than members of Congress who oppose welfare, etc. yet get free healthcare with the job and also a pension, and vote their own pay raises annually... how could they give a crap about the rest of us? they've got it made...

Preacher101 said...

You're right about the sick, and elderly. They do need help, and if from the government, of course that's fine. But the poor could've gotten out. I never called anyone stupid. Again, don't put words in my...er...keyboard.

Cigarette taxes going up to pay for other people's healthcare? Not a bad idea, but, again, its a slippery slope.

Socialized healthcare is a disaster. Trust me, the VA in our own country makes that clear. Ask people from England or Canada how it feels to wait for months to have surgery. Yes, you wait here, but you also have different options; if you can't into one clinic, you call another on the list of 50 clinic and get the job done. Also, there's a difference between waiting to see a doctor about a non-life-threatening illness and waiting for months to have surgery you desperately need. You know the government is inefficient in everything it does. Hell, you said yourself that the government can't even evacuate a city. If that's the case, then why trust our national healthcare to the government?

Next, Mr. Bogs, where do you get off telling me about my idea of free enterprise?!? Did I ever say to screw the worker? Didn't you read what I wrote? I WAS the worker for many years, working hard hours, long hours, and not much pay. When I finally got into management, I was at a huge hospitality company here in Orlando, and I was the manager everyone loved because of my philosophy: "If you treat the worker right, they will do a better job." That's a win-win for everyone. Free enterprise, contrary to your liberal definition, has to do with non-regulated business, so that greatness is recognized with success.

LeftLeaningLady said...

aunty belle - not sure what your point is, we take immigrants in this country, some even legally.

preacher - glad you were able to keep healthcare for your children, but not everyone can. I am not against covering children in a family of 4 for up to $60,000. And while the VA is what we like to refer to as a charlie foxtrot, the military medical worked great until the reduction in forces downsized everything and most medical was outsourced and paid for with insurance. I work with 2 Canadians and one loves their system and the other hates it. I dated a Canadian who thought our system was stupid and bragged about how much he paid in taxes to cover everyone.

Sorry to get off the point, Pete. New Orleans is just the biggest screw up in almost 7 years of embarassment and screwups and the story about China proves that it could have been different.

Pete Bogs said...

preacher - you keep accusing me of putting words in your mouth... I am not... I am reacting a general notions that you seem to be espousing...

I met with some people from England over the summer and the topic of healthcare came up... they seemed very secure about what was available to them, and thought we were nuts for not implementing same...

the government COULD have evacuated people from NO had they planned ahead and gotten their asses in gear... instead they arrived 5 days after the storm...

how is O-Town? I lived there for a couple years and did a job there last summer...

LLL - I think my beloved aunt b was being a bit provincial with you... the old "if you think it's better there why don't you move there?" thing... personally, I'd rather stay and make things better here... but I still love her!

that's ok about going OT - any talk about the government helping people was bound to bring up healthcare, etc.

Preacher101 said...

Bogs, O-town is pretty nice; I enlisted from here and when I got out, I stayed in CA where I was stationed. After a couple of years of that, I moved back here. I like the blend of Southern lifestyle with some of the amenities of the big cities, and of course sports, the beaches, etc.

What happened in NO is a tragedy and I think some of it could have been avoided earlier had the levies been worked on like they should have. It wasn't the storm itself that caused all the havoc-it was 2 things: 1) NO is below sea level. So no matter what size or type of storm, common sense tells you its not gonna be good. 2) The levies broke, which caused even more than the usual hurricane damage. They were made to withstand a Cat 3 storm. Do you know that Katrina was not a Cat 4 when it hit, but a Cat 3? http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/12/21/katrina/index.html

President Bush called and urged Louisiana's governer to declare a state of emergency, so that Federal aid could be given. The law says that Federal aid and National Guard troops can only be brought in if the Governer of a state "asks" by declaring a state of emergency. She didn't do it, even at the urging of the President. My point is that local authorities had been acting with irresponsible autonomy for years, and it just showed itself during Katrina. Look at the other states affected by Katrina. Look at Florida and Texas. There weren't the same problems there.

Anyway, the Chinese (and Asians in general-I'm married to one) are a smart, polite people. They just have political differences with us and that's what makes them dangerous. I think its the cultural difference between the Chinese and people from New Orleans that made the difference between these two disasters. Coupled with NO's precarious geographical position. In fact, I turned down getting stationed in NO because I thought anyone would be crazy to live there under sea level. Okay, enough rambling.

Sorry if I was sounding angry yesterday. I try to be very polite but I don't appreciate it when someone is "...reacting a general notions that you seem to be espousing..." Yes, I'm a hard-core, right-wing conservative, but I'm also a thinking man and if I'm wrong, I'll admit it.

Pete Bogs said...

preacher - no problem... I, too, question the wisdom of a city below sea level... just look at what happened to Atlantis!
;-)

Aunty Belle said...

LLL, mah point puddin' is since youse so unhappy heah, I'se sure Beijing would love to have a lady of yore fine intellect.

Preacher101 said...

Bogs, yeah, its the same when I was stationed in CA. People paid millions of $$ for a house on the side of a hill at Laguna Beach! That's crazy! Every year, WHEN the mudslides happened, we Marines were sent on a work detail to go and dig out Laguna Canyon road and some of the houses slid all the way down the hills and onto the road! What a crazy sight to see!

Bird said...

oh crap - i can't stand it.

why does responsibility have to start at the lowest level? shouldn't it start with those who have the most resources?

actually, responsibility should be both top-down and bottom-up.

lots of folks didn't leave new orleans not because they didn't want to, but because they couldn't.

got no car? ain't so easy to get out.

especially if as you're trudging out by foot, cops block your path and turn you back - without providing assistance - without indicating an alternative route to safety.

got a sick kid you can't carry out? got a sick grandparent that can't trudge out? do you leave without 'em, or stay behind with 'em? i'd stay. is that irresponsible?

by-the-by the FEDERAL governement has a responsibility to assist in a natural disaster. and er, ahem, the national guard is suppose to help in just such cases(except, of course, they're all in Iraq at the behest of the Feds).

yay for china (land of my daughter's ancestors) for getting it right. and though the US gets a lot of stuff wrong, we still do manage to get some things right.

give me a minute or two to come up with something...oh yeah - the civil rights movement, women's suffrage, social security (when first implemented), public education, the NEA, the free press (yeah, i know, getting less and less free, butstill), academic freedom, the right to assemble and protest,etc., etc..

we ain't all incompetent.

and yes - china is cleaning up for the olympics - don't all countries do that? last time i was in beijing, the pollution was dust - lots of it - and very intense.

and another thing, liberal though i may be, critical of my country though i may be - i am tired of being ashamed of my country just because some other country gets something right. geesh! everyone gets something right sometimes.

and everyone gets something wrong sometimes.

gee - i'm damn right cranky this evening.

flap/flap/screech and squawk!
(maybe a little green stream of poop too - for good measure).

Pete Bogs said...

bird - great point about the National Guard... that's their job (even the recruitment commercials show them rescuing storm victims), but they're not around to help us here...