Wednesday, April 04, 2007

Traitors, Traitors Everywhere!

Many Americans consider it wrong, even traitorous, for their fellow countrymen to make “unofficial official" visits to nations non grata.

For example, Nancy Pelosi just met with Syrian President Bashar Assad, much to the displeasure of President Bush. Bush's response was oddly muted, though, when a prominent member of his own party and, later, a GOP delegation visited that country, which is high on the Presidential Shitlist. (There is some evidence that the latter group even had the president's approval to make the trip.)

The ostensible objection here is that Syria is one of those Middle Eastern countries closely associated with terrorism. (Honestly, that could be just about any of them.)

But Vice President Cheney recently visited Saudi Arabia, home to most of the 9/11 hijackers, and a country with little in the way of human rights. Indeed, Bush himself has been known to literally hold hands with that country’s dictator/monarch during visits. This is just a tad hypocritical.

For the reasonable among us, there’s a very good explanation for these unauthorized trips by statesmen. It’s called diplomacy. And what it means – and our president is not willing to do this – is swallowing your pride and sitting down at the table with some (other) real assholes, no matter how disagreeable you may find them.

The press often do that very thing. Dan Rather interviewed Saddam Hussein on the eve of the US invasion of Iraq, for example. 60 Minutes aired an interview with Iranian President Ahmadinejad. Liberal media terrorist sympathizers, right?

In these instances ratings were no doubt a big motivator. But I do think we should give even our adversaries their 15 minutes on the air, if only to let them show just how fucking nuts they are. Seriously.

Does anyone think that any American will be swayed by, for example, Ahmadinejad’s words? Often these people simply ramble along with homicidal delusions of grandeur. In essence, they provide their own undoing. Just look at the Osama bin Laden tapes that pop up every now and then; even consternatives readily broadcast those.

Of course, press initiatives are not as consequential as visits by government officials. It may hit some the wrong way, but when leaders are unwilling to exhibit the leadership their offices require, others have to step up and do so in their place.


PS: In case you hadn't noticed, I have failed to deliver the adult-oriented site previously promised. Well, we must all observe April Fools Day in our own way. I got a good laugh, and some serious hits to my site due to my use of terms like "upskirt" and "nipple slip." Oops, there I go again! Thanks to all y'all masta-baytaz for making that post a success.

7 comments:

Bird said...

oh geesh bogs - i can't believe i'm responding this way, but ...

saudi arabia and syria are quite diferent - at least according to ouur government - one is an "ally" and the other is considered a terrorist nation. granted, the logic of these designations is somewhat irrationally or unevenly or inequitably applied...but nonetheless, it's official as far as the State Deparment and our government is concerned.

the iraq study group recommended we chat with syria AND iran - we should be engaged in discussions with all countries in the region.

of course, why would the bushies want to pay attention to that report?

oddly though, pelosi's trip is "unauthorized." it's not like she needs authorization from bush to visit.

and what do you think about the "easter gift" iran gave our buddies the brits?

oh, the posturing is almost hysterical...

Bird said...

ooops, i mean pelosi's trip ISN'T unathorized..

i shouldn't comment on blogs while watching baseball!

gotta go - people are throwing things at me now and my beer's about to spill!!!!!!! (i only went online to check other scores - and then, well see what happens!)

Pete Bogs said...

bird - I think the differences are shades of grey... the president has ignored the advice of his commanders on the ground (the same ones he wants Congress to allow to do their jobs) and didn't listen to the Iraq Study Group either... he seems to know something that the ISG and most of the rest of the world don't... maybe he should share it with us? maybe he should tell us just why he thinks talking would be unproductive... maybe because communication isn't his strong point?

I put authorized in quotes for a reason: I know she doesn't need permission to do that... but I think Bush sees it as unauthorized, because he didn't give it his blessing... he is the supreme commander, after all...

anyway, I am glad SOMEONE is taking the lead on this...

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

i wouldnt interact with either state if i were the top dog. the saudis undermine us every chance they get. my first act as presidawg would be to stop ALL monetary gifts to the middle east. that ought to put a nice dent in the national debt.

bogs, how do you roll with the leaders of the jihad and al qaeda praising NP? these are sworn enemies of the US! what does that tell you? those like her in power=good for their objectives. they used her as a propaganda tool to put a thorn in W's side...and as sloppy as hes been, he at least calls them what they are.

and then there was the outright lie she told about olmert asking her to go...he denied it today.

and then theres this from todays washington post:

“We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace,” Ms. Pelosi grandly declared.

Never mind that that statement is ludicrous: As any diplomat with knowledge of the region could have told Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Assad is a corrupt thug whose overriding priority at the moment is not peace with Israel but heading off U.N. charges that he orchestrated the murder of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri. The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president.

my aggrevation with the american left is they think peace is the absence of conflict...however it is achieved. well you can have peace right now with these bozos: submit.

and then the final stake. the loser of all time endoresed her: jimmay carter. you know, the one where his ENTIRE board of directors walked because he could not, and can not back up the bullshit he's selling in his book peace not aparthied.

/grrrrrrrrrr

Pete Bogs said...

k9 -

"bogs, how do you roll with the leaders of the jihad and al qaeda praising NP?"

honestly, it was about the first rational thing I've heard any of them say... most of them ramble homicidally... but their comments were self-serving; they don't like Bush (either) and like the fact NP defied him... so do I actually...

"The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president."

he has no clue on foreign policy, hence the need for someone else to take the reigns on diplomacy here... hence the final words of this post...

I don't see diplomacy as surrender, or "submit" as you put it...

but I do agree with cutting off funds to these guys - until they decide they are going to act like civilized 21st century human beings...

Pete Bogs said...

Bush is not one who should be criticizing others for who they're visiting with...

Butcher of Chechnya

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