Monday, July 17, 2006

Escalator To Hell

It's hard not to say Israel acted hastily in launching this ongoing assault on Lebanon and the Hezbollah organization.

What started, ostensibly, in response to the kidnapping of three Israeli soldiers has now killed scores of people - many of them civilians - in Lebanon and Israel. I'd call that a monumental failure of diplomacy.

Hezbollah are no Boy Scouts, to be certain. But if the US were to start lobbing bombs at Canada or Mexico, for example, for not cracking down on terrorist activities within their borders we'd draw the condemnation of the civilized world. And we'd deserve it.

Lebanon has been a relatively quiet place for about 20 years. During the 80s they were featured on the news practically every evening. But then things calmed down a bit, and the country actually became a tourist destination. Unfortunately, it's once again becoming a terrorist destination.

What we're seeing on the news now is countries warning their people to get out of the region. The US has sent helicopters to the US embassy in Beirut to airlift Americans to Cypress. Shades of Hanoi, anyone?


Israel shouldn't depend on their old friends, the US, to help out if this thing escalates further. We're already waging war on several fronts; we've got more war going on than we know what to do with right now.

Of course, we may eventually have no choice. Other names are starting to be thrown around in this conflict, including Syria and Iran (that country we're all hoping to talk out of nukes is conveniently located between Iraq and Afghanistan). Connect the dots on a map of the Middle East and you have an all-out conflict from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf.

Can you say "world war?"

PS: New F13 is up.

23 comments:

Jack K. said...

Whether we like it or not, we have a treaty with Israel to provide support to help them keep their soveriegnty.

Interestingly, when they call for equipment support, we just might not have it. We are having difficulty upgrading the equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Neither side should have taken the steps they did to get this brouhaha started.

As I understand it, Hezbollah has avowed to drive the Israelis into the sea. The Israelis will not let that happen.

Yeah, I can say WWIII. Seems to me that Nostradamus prophesized this would be the place and nearly the time for it.

What fools we mortals be.

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

a disaster. people made fun of me for being down with the pat buchanan foreign policy platform as too isolationist. but its all gone down exactly as he predicted.

and the cherry on top was the global warming report on descovery last night. great.

/grrrr

K9 said...

/bark

er....that'd be "discovery"

/grr

Bird said...

quiet for the past 20 years? not really all that quiet. hezbollah has been playing cross-border games for a bit - and israel has shown previous restraint. though lebanon has built back - it's got some serious probs - many of the lebanese do not support hezbollah - and the government there is weak and afraid to rein H in- fear of a civil war (with Syria and Iran backing H)

you can bet in a hot minute that if canada or mexico sheltered a terrorist organization which vowed to destroy the US and that organization hopped the border at periodic intervals to kidnap US soldiers (ostensibly soliders minding their own business in their own country) - oh yeah - the US would kick some ass - perhaps after a little diplomacy and negotiation - but no doubt - we'd be somewhat apopalyptic (sp).

keep in mind that in past border raids, Israel has negotiated with H - and done some prisoner swaps.

israel's true objective here is not necessarily to get those soliders back (i've read stuff that claims them dead already or on the road to tehran or damascus - i;ve also read reports of other arab countries not so pleased with Hezbollah and Iran and Syria's role in all this), rather it's to crush Hezbollah and send a clear message - don't fuck with us.

though i am adamantly pro-israeli, i am heartsick over this - i understand why the israelis are engaging as they are - but i don't think it's the right move. and i am sick to death of that region and its wars - they seem, all sides, quite intent on destroying each other.

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

the thing is, wherever Islam is, it brings misery to its civilized neighbors. hez has a strategy of embedding themselves into civilian areas - as hide outs, weapons caches, etc. making the accidental dead truly collateral. then they can claim indiscriminate violence of the other. basic guerilla tatics.

now theyve killed all these people in india, and all over the continent of Africa (truly a failure on the part of MSM to report the culling of xtian africans by islam)

the crescent is a great symbol for them: bringing darkness to the world.

/grr

Hellpig said...

hezbollah is the puppet and Iran is the PuppetMaster follow the money trail

Coincidence that hezbollah invaded Isreal on the very same day that Iran was to answer to the UN on the 12th of July about enrichment of uranium

Where is that news story now?

Iran is sitting back laughing at the entire world as he pulls the strings for World War III

All be it a very short WAR remember Isreal has fully functional NUKES capable of decimating Iran and Syria and why not they deserve everything they get.......

liberalbanana said...

I'm with Bird - I'm so sick of that whole region. They do seem dead set on destroying each other. Why must some people have such evil in their hearts?

The Flabbergasted Heathen said...

k9 - You really have to make the distinction between Islam and radical folk using their own interpretation of the Quran to kill those they disagree with. I work with some Muslims, and the office is hardly riddled with bullet holes.

As for Israel, I'm not going to pretend to understand the situation. I live in Canada, I'm safe. I can't imagine living in a country that is literally surrounded by enemies.

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

point taken heathen. however, i have not heard a peep of disapproval from moderate islam here or else where.
the fact is FundeIslam is not interested in peace. they sabbotage it at every chance. i think they have made their intentions clear.

/grrr

Jack K. said...

If you watched the ESPY awards last night, you will have noticed that two young women from Afghanistan were given the Arthur Ashe award for daring to participate in sports, e.g., soccor(football).

Those young women are truly brave for daring to get out on the playing fields. It was marvelous to watch them laughing and having a great time in devleoping new skills.

The showed footage that purported that a woman who dared to do somthing agains the Taliban's rules was summarily shot on the parade ground/sports field.

Fundeislam is bound and determined to keep women subjugated and out of sight. What is the problem with women getting an education? They might bring some positive energy to their country.

I believe there are some Fundechristians who are not too far behind in this same belief.

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

jack: for example?

/grrr

Pete Bogs said...

jack - treaties was made for the breakin'! kidnapping three soldiers hardly drove Israel into the sea... they acted rashly...

k9 - that's about the only aspect of Buchanan that's palatable...

bird - I'm referring to the fact that between the barracks bombing in '83 and the assassination a year or two ago, Lebanon fell back into relative anonymity... I've read and seen reports about it being stable, relative in the Middle East, for a long time... it's only recently that momumental things have started happening there again... a shame... you know a lot more about the situation than I do; I just know it's going from bad to worse...

I am not pro-Israel, I am pro-peace and pro-truth... their overreaction was almost certainly indicative of a country just looking for an excuse to start something...

we didn't bomb Canada even though Al Qaeda has entered the US through their borders...

k9 - maybe radical Islam will "eclipse" sometime? until then, they can kiss our asses while we moon them...

hell - yup, Israel has nukes they hid for years... Iran isn't hiding them... they should aim them at each other...

banana - there are honestly times when I wish the entire region would just sink into the sand... then they can start all over again from scratch... they seem to live for deadly conflict (contradiction intended)

flab - good point...

k9 - true that... mainstream Islam has been way too quiet on the activities of their cousins...

jack - I've seen some of the Taliban execution footage... woman shot in the head at close range for alleged infidelity... the male perpetrator is held down and his throat is slit... THIS WAS A HALFTIME SHOW AT A SOCCER GAME... NO JOKE... keeping women down and the naughty urges supressed are deadly serious standards for these people...

PHEW!

Karen said...

posted about this today at my place, also. don't think it will come to WWIII.

Pete Bogs said...

karen - with the incendiary nature of all the parties involved, it certainly could escalate across a large section of the world...

bird - just came across an article that speaks to the "calm" of Lebanon before last week...

Beirut Then And Now

I think we should be pretty pissed at Israel... all of us... we've all got people over there in Lebanon and they start bombing the fucking airport... wtf? as I said, a lot of people going there are tourists...

The Flabbergasted Heathen said...

What I don't understand is this...

Israel is damned good at killing or capturing those who piss it off. Why not capture some of the Hezbolla higher ups?

You give us ours back, we'll give you yours.

Bird said...

bogs (off topic)
i've left a note for you at my roost trying to explain the duel delay. i am sure it makes no sense a'tall.

the whole thing is driving me to drink. i need a beer suitable for duel-watching yet one that will compliment a variety of poetic aesthetics and genres.

oh hell- i'm so dry, i'd drink a coors - spare me - quick!

Aunty Belle said...

Ya'll ever heah of Ishmael and Isaac?
Ain't neve goin' ter be no peace 'tween 'em.

YEah Heathern...thas' a good "limited engagement" plan.

Pete Bogs said...

God needs to bitch-slap Ishmael and Isaac... bad children... BAD CHILDREN!!!

Jack K. said...

bogs, I just ran across this David Brin posting about conservatives/consternatives inability to govern.

Thought you might find it of interest.

btw, when nukes are used there is considerable problems with fallout. Think Chernobyl.

Pete Bogs said...

jack - thanks for the link... yeah, I know about fallout and half-lives, etc.... where do you think all my hair went? I was being sarcastic, actually... nukes are no good for anyone... neither is this insane conflict...

CROAK said...

At least the Americans got their people ( are getting their people) out as soon as possible.
What did Australia do for the few thousand australians stranded there? The first ones back said they had to sneak over into Syria to get out, but once the border was bombed the rest were stuck. Our Foreign Affairs Minister ("Lord" Downer) was pathetically weak and looked stupid.

I wonder if all those people now desparate to see their loved ones safe will think of how David Hicks' father feels now?

How weak is our Government when it comes to helping Australian citizens in foreign climes.

Glad you wrote this piece, Bogs.
You give me heart!

CROAK said...

Bird just a little thought.

Some of us 'out here' always wonder why the USA Government does not reign in terrorists who prosper in USA like the KKK and the racist fundamentalists.

Just a little thought in answer to 'reining in Hezbollah' in Lebanon.(Of course this should be done, but this is no way to do it...just encourages more membership...ie DUMB)

Pete Bogs said...

croak - the evacuation of our people is pretty slow... I heard yesterday that 120 of 25,000 had been airlifted out... and Bush was going to charge people for the rescue!?