Wednesday, April 19, 2006

A Lasting Piece In Northern England

The UK still may claim the six counties of Northern Ireland, which uses British pounds sterling instead of euros and flies the Union Jack, but they are slowly losing some of their own land to the Irish.

Not a drop of blood, and no car bombs, pub bombs, checkpoints or occupying armies have been involved in this conquest, however.

Instead, Irish investors are peacefully buying up property and businesses in England, Scotland and Wales.

It’s noteworthy that my source for this story, a British paper, calls this the “second Irish invasion” of Britain. That’s creative wording from a country that transplanted its people into Ireland, subjugated the locals, and ended up splitting the country into two parts, leading to decades of violence (aka “The Troubles”).

There is grand some poetic justice in the Irish taking the land out from underneath the British, and it’s nice to see them doing so without the strong-arm tactics of the British Empire.

I’ll tip a pint to that!

13 comments:

ardlair said...

Gosh.
Two days in a row.

a) The irish conflict is as sectarian ( protestant versus catholic) as it is political ( republicanism versus loyalist- to the "crown".) Or, at least, the two are so intertwined as to make a solution impossible without addressing both issues.

b) If you read the story to which you refer again, you will see that the bulk of the investment comes from the North...... in otherwords that part of the island of Ireland which is still part of Britain! It is therefore almost certainly protestant/loyalist money and they are getting their cash OUT of Ireland not for romantic getting back at the British type notions that you suggest, but to protect their money from what they see as the impending creation of an all irish state ( catholic dominated, republican). So they are "British" people investing in "Britain"

c) Careful with the old British/English language please.The two words are NOT interchangeable. England subjugated all three of the other nation states(scotland/ireland/wales) not just ireland.
Calling a Scotsman English is like calling an American Canadian. Get my drift?
Scotland is currently negotiating its way towards independence and out of the old "union" with England. It already has its own parliament with substantial powers and achieved all this without "the troubles" that haunted Ireland. That I believe is because the sectarianism part is not so strong in Scotland as to dominate the political agenda.

So what do you take from all that??

a) Another example of the trouble caused and divides created by organised religion

b) Another example of the hundreds of years of difficulty that can arise when a large country gets too involved in the affairs of smaller countries.

c)Britain is not the same as England

d)Nice to see some interest from the US in the afffairs of a tiny country Other than funding the IRA for 20 years ( true) I didn't know that there was any American interest in this issue!!!!!


You folks just can't stop meddlin can you!!!?

ardlair said...

and just to keep you ticking over Peter.....

here's a link to start you off

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_arms_importation#American_Arms

Only LIBYA provided more funds for the IRA than the USA.

And I thought there was a war on terror????

The Flabbergasted Heathen said...

See, there's a big difference between the provos and terrorists like Bin Laden...

The provos knew how to smile, laugh, and get you to write a cheque over a good pint.

I don't think we'll see Bin Laden in Toronto raising money at the local mosque.

Pete Bogs said...

ardlair - you seem to think I speak for America, when in fact I only speak for myself... this blog is about my take on things, and in this case I think it's fan-fucking-tastic (and ironic) to see the Irish take land away from England... the article mentions Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, with Dublin cited as an example... and we cannot automatically assume that because a lot of the investors are coming from the North, that they are Unionists... there may be some Republicans (the only kind of Republicans I like) too... I'm aware of the Catholic/Protestant struggle as I think most people are, and therefore didn't deem it necessary to go into that... it doesn't change the land acquisition aspect of the story for me...

true, you are not from England as sure as a Czech is not a Russian; but they WERE part of the USSR, just as you're part of the UK... I tried to use those terms accurately... good to hear there's talk of independence... you don't need Her Majesty or Tony Blair to influence your identity...

flab - don't be so sure about bin Laden in Toronto... your open country is as likely to draw terrorists as any, if only to plan attacks on the Yanks... what are provos?

Jack K. said...

Pete, I understand there is a difference between Republicans and Republicants.

Jack K. said...

Are provos provisionals?

Pete Bogs said...

jack - you're right, the extra "t" makes all the difference...

fatty ~ said...

go the irish - working the system all the way!

Bird said...

what is the difference please between republicants and republicans?

and just a teacherly note here about wikipedia. the info on wikipedia is, in many ways, of the people - meaning it can be altered and changed, edited, etc. by anyone. the use of wikipedia is currently a hot topic among some educators - because on the one hand, it embraces what many of us see as the collaborative, social-constructivist act of making knowledge - but it also is wide open to bias, manipulation, etc. (not unlike other sources). nonetheless, wikipedia opens the door to numerous credibility concerns.

it is, as ardlair says, a starting off place - of sorts.

Pete Bogs said...

bird - I use wikipedia only for quick reference... typically any given page on there has numerous legit links at the bottom, so it's a good "jumping off" point to learn about a subject...

and shame on you for not visiting my other blog and finding out about Republicants!!!

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Bird said...

oh hell- i remember that post - the definition of republicants (now that I've looked at it again) - I think I had a senior moment. shit!

as the semester comes to a rapid end, i find i am cognitively challenged and memory disabled. argh.

Pete Bogs said...

no problem, bird... actually, I'm just trying to get more people to visit over there...

Pete Bogs said...

blogger's note: I deleted a comment directly above this one just now... I do not censor my comments, but it was an ad!