Thursday, March 30, 2006

Is This News Good Enough For You?

Consternative politicians and pundits have been criticizing the “liberal” media for reporting only the bad news from the war in Iraq, and ignoring the good news.

Some have gone as far as to fabricate their own good news.

These folks need to be reminded that it’s not the media’s job to make them smile, merely to report what’s going on, and that the media aren’t anti-American for airing the ugly truth about war.

So what happens when some good news does come out of Iraq? Consternatives shit all over it.

Reporter Jill Carroll, held hostage since January by Iraqi militants, was released today unharmed. Consternative journalist John Podhoretz was ecstatic:

“It’s wonderful that she’s free, but after watching someone who was a hostage for three months say on television she was well-treated because she wasn’t beaten or killed — while being dressed in the garb of a modest Muslim woman rather than the non-Muslim woman she actually is — I expect there will be some Stockholm Syndrome talk in the coming days.”


What an ass.

And when three Christian Peacemakers were recently rescued from captivity, controversial right-wing blog Red State declared, in a post called “Wasted Effort,” that the three were “ingrates” for staying true to their original views about the war after their rescue.

They did not detect sufficient gratitude in the hostages’ public statements, even though the three men likely kissed the feet of the troops who freed them.

It seems as though consternatives’ interest in good news from Iraq is highly conditional.

23 comments:

fatty ~ said...

do you mean conservative rather than consternative??

I don't know about consternatives but i'm thinking its good to hear good news, but we need to hear bad news. God forbid there's bad things happening and the westerners have the illusion of success/victory.

ffff said...

Good point to make Pete...

but getting back to your hands, any chance of a double photo?

Bird said...

but fatty, didn't you hear? we do have victory - all is well in iraq. it's going exactly as planned!

wonderful about jill carrol.

Daydreamer of Oz said...

Hi Pete,
I'm sure you're not suggesting that the media is unbiased! Can you honestly tell me that you don't think the media presents the stories which support their perspectives?

I'm also curious as to whether forcing conformity with one's belief systems & not beating/murdering them qualifies as 'good treatment' to you.

Jack K. said...

There is no such thing as an unbiased anything, be it the press or....

Each of us has a view, good, bad or indifferent. So OZ I willingly agree with your statement concerning press bias.

The thing that thinking individuals need to consider is taking all of the news and filtering it through their individual filters to come understanding of just what in the everlovin', blue-eyed world is going on out there. (How's that for an un-PC adjective? No bias intended. And, yes, I have blue eyes.)

Perhaps Podhoretz failed to notice that in other photos and videos of Ms. Carroll, she was dressed in some of the accoutrements of Muslim female garb. I believe it was her way of showing respect for the people she was reporting about.

Did I hear somewhere that she was living with an Iraqi family, or was she just a fequent visitor?

Regardless of all of the above, I am elated that she was released and was treated respectfully. I know, she was a hostage. She was kept against her will and her interpreter was killed. Those are reprehensible acts.

We need to look at our own motivations to determine if we are supporting reprehensible acts. An interesting exercise.

Just some thoughts.

Bird said...

for an interesting discussion of the structural bias inherent in the news, take a look at http//rhetorica.net/bias.htm

my first-year comp course students are currently engaged in a media analysis, comparing the same story as it appears in two different news sources. i wonder if any of the students will choose the story about Jill Carrol.

Pete Bogs said...

fatty - that is the spelling of the word I prefer...

daydreamer - the good news in both of these stories is that people were FREED... that seems lost on consternatives who only want the news their way... there is bias in the media, no doubt, but some people here in the US interpret bad news (40 beheadings the other day, etc.) as the press focusing on the bad... as if most things in war aren't bad? they're reporting what happens... some people want the news only to bolster the American view, which is not news but propaganda...

do you remember when a US soldier shot an injured, unarmed Iraqi man in the head on camera... the CBS News cameraman who was filming got death threats after that... what did he do wrong? his only crime was showing the US in a true, albeit negative, light... that won't do for some... "positive news that makes us look good only, please..."

Carroll was a hostage, and that's reprehensible... but it's good that she was released... she was wearing Muslim clothes to start so as to blend in with the population and not call attention to herself... during her captivity, her captors I'm sure gave her clothes... but what would they be - surely not jeans and a t-shirt, but Muslim women's garb...

overall, my point is, here is good news they have been complaining is missing, and right wingers don't seem to appreciate it...

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

yeah. okay. jill carrol was treated well. too bad she didn't bother to mention that her gracious hosts killed the hell out of her translator at the time of her abduction. nice going, jill.

and

the beef with the CPT's wasn't that they standed firm on their belief against war, but that they originally stated in their press releases that they were "freed" and not rescued. nobody gives a rat's about their belief system its the ingratiude that chaps so many of us. too bad they missed their opportunity to identify with Christ in a more profound way.

/grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Pete Bogs said...

ali - what's a double photo, a double exposure? or do you want to confirm that I am in fact typing with two hands?

k9 - I imagine being free and out of danger for the first time in months was top of mind for Jill... if she hasn't already, I'm sure she'll express her grief over her companion's murder...

the "freed" versus "rescued" issue seems like a semantic thing to me, though I'd have to see the whole press release... you can be "freed" by someone other than your captors... it's not a slight to the rescuers...

take this fictitious example: "Hostages were freed by police, who stormed the bank and disarmed the robbers..."

yes, it mentions the police, but it makes my point that either friend or foe can "free" you...

and the true issue here is good news that conservatives so sorely want to hear being dismissed because of certain "details" about it... they want good news, but only want ot hear it THEIR way:

when Iraqi hostage(s) were freed, they effusively thanked their rescuers, and said that they've learned the error of their ways... "We we wrong, America was right - this is a good war based on truth and solid intel... from now on I'm pro-war..." LOL

you get the idea...

Pete Bogs said...

now the ultra-sensitive mouthpieces are saying Carroll's carrying Zarqawi's baby... man...

http://thinkprogress.org/imus-33106/

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

point taken on jill. wanna take bets on how long it will be before it is parlayed into a movie deal?

you say:
"when Iraqi hostage(s) were freed, they effusively thanked their rescuers, and said that they've learned the error of their ways... "We we wrong, America was right - this is a good war based on truth and solid intel... from now on I'm pro-war..." LOL"

no no no bro. again, i don't give a rat's what these CPT's think. when we talk about wanting good news we are merely talking about a brief break in the repetitive litany of how america sucks. it is a stultifying bore!

/grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Pete Bogs said...

looks like another site is covering the Carroll story from the same "consternatives want good news, and they got it" angle:

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=700005

Hellpig said...

They are all WHACK JOBS and deserved everything they got.

ffff said...

Finally got to see the lady and the video that this post was about.
Glad she is safe.
I still believe all those left in Guantanomo Bay are 'hostages' especially Australia's David Hicks. what are the Consternatives going to do and say about them??? Even the Afghanis who were being held are back home now.What do the righties say?

Our first victim of the new terrorism laws has just been gaoled for five years. Reading his story is horrific. What the Pakistani and the CIA did to him was torture. What would I say or do to get away from that? Any and every thing. The CIA threatened to send an agent to Australia to rape his wife if he didnt say what they wanted to hear.
Information under torture or threat is not information, it is survival techniques.

I just wanted a photo of both your hands... I love hands.

Daydreamer of Oz said...

Jack,
That was precisely my point. Everyone has their own bias & you can't really do anything about the way individuals interpret things.

However, I think we have every right to expect/demand as little bias as possible in the actual coverage. It is very interesting to consider those who control various news sources & their political ideas/agendas. That gives you a pretty clear indication of what stories/slant the public will receive from that source.

A classic example (at least in AU) is media coverage of unions. It is always the union making 'demands' & the company making 'offers'.

I'm pretty conservative & very happy to see that she was freed under any circumstances (rescued or otherwise). I'm also surprised & interested that I have been included in the conversation here without having to deal with a personal attack.

Pete Bogs said...

ali - I will see what I can do...

daydreamer - I'm glad you feel welcome here... there's not much to talk about if we all agree with one another...

Pete Bogs said...

hell - I agree... they were all released, and deserved to be... so, they got what they deserved...

Hellpig said...

you know that's not what I meant Bogs,they deserved to be kidnapped for going over to a war zone trying to spread their Whack Job propaganda. Jill Carroll is a Major whack job,her and her anti-american sentiment she embodies the far left thinking and is nothing more then a Dhimmi.

And Alison "TORTURE" please,nothing worse then a terrorist sympathizer.

Jack K. said...

Thank goodness everything is black and white and there are no shades of gray. (tic sarcasm)

daydreamer, I agree with your notion that it would be great if we did get a lot less bias in the press. Ah well, we pays our money and we takes our choice.

ta.

FuriousJon said...

I think it's absolutely reprehensible that some of these uber-righties are trying to paint a journalist who damn near got killed for trying to do her job as a "traitor," or, as was suggested on dear old Imus' show, "carrying Zarqawi's baby." Gee, way to raise the debate guys.

And Hellpig - Why don't you go get yourself a picture of Ann Coulter and play with yourself for awhile and leave sensible people alone.

Hellpig said...

FuriousJon said...
I think it's absolutely reprehensible that some of these uber-righties are trying to paint a journalist who damn near got killed for trying to do her job


What about the men who were killed at the time of her kidnapping? That's absolutely reprehensible!,Her job?WTF are you talking about,she is a journalist for the Christian Monitor and had no business being in a war zone spreading the faith,and her anti-american veiws are well documented even before she had her colleagues killed or she was kidnapped,and the only reason she wasn't killed is because of her PRE-Anti-American stance.


VIVA LA BUSH (mother fucker)

Pete Bogs said...

hell - her interpreter was killed because as an Iraqi he had no bargaining value... they couldn't hold him and make demands and expect anyone to listen... that's very sad but true... are you blaming his death on Jill?

she's already recanted the stuff she said, which was what the kidnappers made her say before they'd release her... under diress, as the expression goes...

Hellpig said...

What about the crap she said before she was kidnapped?

She is still responsible for the death,if she hadn't gone there he would be alive.