Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Florida Frees Pedophile

Debra Lafave has nothing more to worry about.

The former teacher arrested for repeatedly having sex with a 14-year-old boy copped a plea late last year for house arrest and probation in one county, and just had the charges against her dropped in the other. (She faced charges in two counties because she had sex with the minor in both.)

There will be no trial and no prison for her.

Instead, Lafave can now begin her house arrest, followed by seven years of probation. No matter how these penalties might curtail her freedom, they can’t suck as badly as prison.

House arrest is basically a prison correspondence course, where you pay your debt to society in the comfort and convenience of your own home. And probation just means you need to be on your best behavior for a while.

I feel this was a slap on the wrist, and I’ve stated on numerous occasions that she ought to be punished as any man would for the same crime. I’ve already heard all the “He (the victim) enjoyed it” and “He agreed to it” arguments I care to about this case.

There’s a double standard where it comes to women sex offenders; Mary Kay Letourneau was given sufficient freedom after her arrest to conceive a child with her student boy-toy, and only then was sentenced to seven years. It seems we have a hard time seeing male teens as victims in sex cases.

Like the guilty often do, Lafave blames her actions on a compromised mental state, and talks of God, forgiveness and redemption. Man, the lawyers just don’t have any new angles, do they?

It’ll be interesting to see what Lafave does with her life during and after her “incarceration,” though we may never know; she is rightfully not permitted to profit from her story (no books, no movies), and I imagine a name and appearance change will be in the works for her.

While Lafave may be able to regain her anonymity, her name has gotten sufficient enough exposure that it will live on in our scandal-hungry culture the way the names Lewinsky, Letourneau and Dahmer have. Considering that’s a possible life sentence, maybe justice has been done.

30 comments:

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

she missed an opportunity to experience a "boyfriend" she couldn't boss by escaping prison yet again. that sister should be playing linda blairs prison role by now. skank walks on the eternal double standard. yeah i hope the pedi label hurts for a lifetime but then again she might just parlay that into a fine career as a handbag designer.

/grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Pete Bogs said...

yeah, that or a pariah, as Ms. Lewinsky seems to have become... this woman has admitted to the acts, and was recorded discussing them with the kid... there is NO WAY a prosecutor would just drop the charges were the genders here reversed... he'd be facing an angry mob if he did... where's the outrage?

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

i dont think lewinsky deserves to be lumped in with skanky Lafave. but the two situations do speak to sex and power. do you think monica wouldve flashed her tail at bill clinton the dock workin' kia driver? Lafave was using her power of experience and authority of teacher (in the first case) to prey on boys. so she's more like bill than monica, but much much worse than bill.

it annoys me that little men are always sposed to roll with it while little preteen girls are cherished and avenged. yet preteen "mean girls" are stone killers compared to boys their age i think.

i was also under the impression that when a position of authority was exploited to seduce a child the penalties would be even stiffer but i guess not.

/grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Pete Bogs said...

there was a stiff penalty - justice got stiffed, and the teacher got, well, you know...

I know what you're saying about Monica, and it's true that Lafave is comparable to Bill in this scenario... I was just thinking of the notoriety and "celebrity" these previously unknown people (Monica and Debra, respectively) have garnered...

K9 said...

/bark bark bark

right on. the line between famous and infamous is seriously blurred. celebrity is the currency in america that makes me howl. i mean, who is it out there playing 18 holes with oj simpson?

/grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Bird said...

who knows what went on between prosecutor and defense attorney or what other circumstances came into play. just like the oj trial - unless you were there, you don't really know what went on fully in the courtroom, during jury deliberations, etc.

on the face of it - she shouldn't get off easy - nor should she suffer more than male offenders who sometimes walk or receive light sentences. it does seem somewhat odd that she's not doing any kind of jail time- i wonder what the rationale for that is. i do think the media has sensationalized this because a female pedophile is not the norm (just as gay pedophiles are not the norm.)

anyone remember Summer of 42? hot movie when i was a kid. explored the summer relationship between an adolescent boy and an adult woman. now that i think about it - pretty gutsy movie.

i think there is somewhat of a difference in the power relationship between an adult woman and an adolescent boy and an adult man and an adolescent girl - and that may be why there is not so much handwringing and outrage. now, don't start hurtling rocks at me guys! i'm not saying it's appropriate or even remotely ok for an adut woman and an adolescent boy to have asexual relationship of any kind - I'm merely saying there are some differences in how such a relationship is formed and plays out. those differences affect our perception of such relationships and thus our response (as a whole) to such relationships. i repeat - i'm not saying it's right.

alas, this will bring out a backlash no doubt (this case, and my response - ;)) a backlash for women, and for teachers (have you seen the recent case of the male high school teacher that video-taped girls in the locker room at his place of employment?) let's remember - NOT all teachers are pedophiles - NOT all teachers exploit their power and authority.

as for monica - she was a dupe.a immature young woman dazzled by an extremely charming man with extraordinary power. she made several serious mistakes and she's paid a price for those choices. i say - leave her alone. (but oh am i thankful i am not her mother!)

and now i go forth to warp minds.

presidentbobo said...

Have the neighbors started posting flyers warning of a dangerous pedophile in the area? Is she prohibited from futher contact w/ children and forced to move more than 500 yards away from the nearest school? When is she going to grow one of those kiddie-diddler mustaches and start driving an ice cream truck?
It is my understanding that this is pretty aberrant behavior for a woman. Well, I think "fairness" when out the window somewhere around 2000.
Justice is a bitch, y'all.

Pete Bogs said...

bird - what happened was this: the boy's mother lobbied to have the charges dropped so her son wouldn't face having to make testimony, which would likely be on Court TV, and turn him into tabloid fodder once again... William Kennedy Smith's accuser had her face blurred on TV - why couldn't this kid have his? even if the defense requested this, it pisses me off... no equal justice! should a black man get the same sentence a white man would for the same crime? yes! should a woman get the same punishment as a man? yes!

there have been an increasing number of adult female predators (at least being reported) in the last year or so; some of them were also in this area...

Summer of '42 was hot, even with the granny panties... and Class had a young Rob Lowe doing Jacqueline Bisset... lucky boy... that was a comedy(!), but an adult man sleeping with a jailbait girl could not be presented as a comedy...

I have not heard about this guy taping girls in a locker room, but I am interested to know more... I imagine he'll see some jail time for it... it's a crime for sure, but there was no touching (well, probably himself), only looking... whereas, Lafave banged and blew this kid... I repeat, it's just not right...

Pete Bogs said...

pres - I think the fact that she plead guilty to some charges assures she'll be on the sexual predator list...

Pete Bogs said...

here is her sexual predator listing:

http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/sexual_predators/OffenderFlyer.asp?keys=54053

Roderick said...

Pete Bogs: there is NO WAY a prosecutor would just drop the charges were the genders here reversed... he'd be facing an angry mob if he did... where's the outrage?


Roderick: I agree with you but this is the flip side of double standards. Even today if a unmarried girl gets knocked up she's called a slut but the guy who knocked her up is considered a stud. So I guess the Lafave episode is just the positive side of the double standard.

Roderick said...

Bird said: as for monica - she was a dupe.a immature young woman dazzled by an extremely charming man with extraordinary power. she made several serious mistakes and she's paid a price for those choices. i say - leave her alone. (but oh am i thankful i am not her mother!)


Roderick: Obviously you've forgotten or never heard about Monica's track record before she met Bill.

Monica made a habit of going after older married men. I think she had at least two prior to her meeting Bill and he fell in line because he was horny guy who wasn't getting any from his wife.

Pete Bogs said...

Rod - that may be true about double standards, but it falls outside the line of the law... meaning, it's unfortunate, but there's no crime committed... whereas...

you're right about Monica, and I forgot to comment... it was Monica who was flirting with Bill by showing her - ewww - thong strap... he was married and much older and should have shown better judgment, but Monica definitely was after that man... hardly a victim...

Pete Bogs said...

bird - I know that not all teachers are pedophiles, but did you know that many college professors are "killers?" uh huh! Pat Robertson told me so...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/21.html#a7604

Bird said...

better be careful there bogs, i am in a mood - i might go on a rampage!

be ware the deadly college English professors! Our victims are struck dumb by cryptic remarks such as "awk" and "obtuse" and "circ log." and once the hapless victim is struck dumb, we continue our relentless attack, poking and prodding with our razor-like pens, leaving our victims to bleed slowly out, all over the page, until their blood and our red ink are intermingled and indistinguishable.

and if that doesn't work - why I'll just knock your block off with the Oxford dictionary.

hahahahaha!

Bird said...

not necessarily you personally bogs...you know? ;)

Karen said...

They sent Martha Stewart to prison for a lesser offense than that...sheesh!

Pete Bogs said...

exactly, Karen... I mean, apart from the initial arrest, this woman has spent no time in jail... she's been free on bond while awaiting trial... it's not right...

bird - I will beware the red pen...

bronxbt said...

Pete.

Jack turned me on to your blog.

Good on you man.
I posted today about this same goddurned travesty and I'm pissed.

Now, you're comments are far more enlightening than my moment of rant&rave, but thank you for your outlook on the case... or LACK of case at this point.

Double-standard city. Truly makes me want to puke. I'm going to go back to keeping my head under the covers and posting cutsie dogs and crap instead of looking at the reality that this country bases it's likeness to.

Take care, and keep up the great work.

The Flabbergasted Heathen said...

Of course there's a double standard. People have to realize that although we should all have equal status and protection under the law, we are NOT all the same.

Call it culture, call it whatever the hell you want, as much as we'd like to see all of these situations being the same, they're not.

Men and women are completely different creatures, and the relationships forged between them (legal or not) can not be viewed the same under the law.

That said, she did get off too bloody easy.

Pete Bogs said...

bronx - thanks for coming by, and to Jack for sending you...

flabmeister - bird made a similar argument above... that may be true, but it doesn't sound legally binding to me...

Mr Q said...

She is a criminal. She deserves to be punished. Let me do that job.
She is an smoking bimbo. Anyone disagrees? Didn't think so.
People, what else can you expect after the recounts down here? We live on a different dimension, the second chance state, but I do agree on the double standard though.

fatty ~ said...

feminists and anti-feminists can crap on about equal rights but its never going to be the same.

chicks still want guys to pay for dinner and women and children will always be taken extra care of.

Jack K. said...

Nice try, fatty, but, unfortunately, there are some chicks and children who will get short shrift.

Pete Bogs said...

I think fatty is on the money with the idea of men still paying for dinner... women (rightfully) want to make the same pay as a men for the same jobs, but they still want us to put our money forward for everything... sounds like a sweet financial deal for them... very Republicant in a way - make a lot of money yet have others pay for you, thereby keeping you in the money... alas, this is another blog altogether... I have hesitated to get into social-gender issues but will eventually...

Aunty Belle said...

BAwgs, honey, you said:

"it pisses me off... no equal justice! should a black man get the same sentence a white man would for the same crime? yes! should a woman get the same punishment as a man? yes!"

And Aunty B says, AMEN!! She is sick, but so is every fella that did the same, but they get time in the pen and so should she.

Now that Black K-9 is onto somethin' and that is that young men-in-the makin' are scarred by this sort of experience--messes minds real bad.

ffff said...

I agree with Bird on this one. I can just hear all the men in Australia saying "lucky little boy" so I am guessing the attitude of you men in the States is so different.
Summer of '42 was one of the most beautiful movies ever to come out of the US during the 1970's. Gentle, feeling, compassionate and soft.I am thinking this situation you wrote your post on was nothing like it.
There is a difference between female and male sexual preditors. With men it is usually power WITH control WITH force WITH hard physical need. With women it is power WITH desire WITH sick neediness and WITH opportunity to control.
I believe the woman should be punished, but to say it is the same as a male peadophile is naive.
Along with Bird I expect to have things thrown at me for this opinion, but there are some basic differences and I think the main disgust and anger goes back to the fact that women ALWAYS are suppose to be the 'keepers of the morals' of the community. She broke that and that is what is so upsetting for those out there.
Monica's situation was totally different and the 'holier than thou' scenerio that always seems to come from a country that sanctions live sex acts on stage in NY always astounds me. You can buy guns and shoot people but for a President to show a weakness for sex is taboo... just as well the press weren't so reticent during Jack Kennedy's presidency, ay?

Pete Bogs said...

ali - no, the attitude is the same here, and that's what I find so sickening... it doesn't sound like you believe a man can be mad about a double standard, and that I'm just upset a woman "acted up"...

there are actually parallels to Summer Of '42, if you believe Lafave... her initial excuse for losing her head was the death of her sister a year earlier... do you remember when the woman in the movie came on to the kid? right after getting a "We regret to inform you..." letter from the military...

you and bird may be correct in that the sexual politics are different when the genders are reversed, but does that mean a different legal standard should apply? should Lafave get NO prison time, when, as I said about the "male coach peeping in the girls' locker room" case bird brought up, that perpetrator probably will go to jail; his crime was looking, not touching (a victimless crime, of sorts)...

bird, ali and anyone else: this is what I'd like to know: 20-ish male teacher has sex with 14 y/o female student... 20-ish female teacher has sex with 14 y/o male student... they do all the same sex acts, and all parties have roughly equivalent states of mind... what is the penalty for each perpetrator?

American Crusader said...

I taught school in Florida, and there is without doubt a double standard between male and female teachers. If that was a male teacher, I guarantee he would have been rooming with Bubba for at least 12 years.

ffff said...

Can't agree with you re Summer of '42.